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Raymund/Raymond Anton GLOETZNER  ("Ray")1875 - 1957

aka Raymund Anton Gloetzner, Raymund A. Gloetzner, R. A. Gloetzner, Raymund Gloetzner, R. Gloetzner, Ray Gloetzner, Raymond Anton Gloetzner, Raymond A. Gloetzner, Raymond Gloetzner
birth 18 Aug 1875, Georgetown, Washington DC
death 26 July 1957, St. Petersburg, Pinellas, FL
marriage married in July/Aug/Sept 1902 in London:
Mary Ann/Agnes ZIEGLER

b. 6 March 1877, Wilmington, Delaware
d. .. Feb 1963, Pinellas, FL

  • Eleanor

    b. 8 Dec 1903, Berlin, GERMANY
    d. 5 or 15 Nov 1987, St Petersburg, Pinellas, FL

  • Raymond Anton Jr.

    b. 11 April 1908, Berlin, GERMANY
    d. 30 June 1983, Tucson, Pima, AZ


father Anton A. GLOETZNER

b. 31 Jan 1850, Weiden, Bavaria, GERMANY
d. 18 July 1928, Washington DC

mother Johanna (Jane Francis) NAST

b. 10 Aug 1851, München, GERMANY
d. 18 Dec 1915, Washington DC

  • Raymond ("Ray") A.

    b. 18 Aug 1875, Georgetown, Washington, DC
    d. 26 July 1957, St. Petersburg, Pinellas, FL

  • Josephine M.

    b. 10 May 1888, Georgetown, Washington DC
    d. 12 Dec 1952, Washington DC

  • Hermann Francis

    b. 25 Aug 1878, Georgetown DC
    d. 12 Apr 1946, St. Petersburg, Pinellas, FL

  • Anton (Andrew) A.

    b. 25/27 May 1880, Washington DC
    d. 26 Dec 1963, Glendale, Los Angeles, CA

  • Mary

    b. 15 May 1881, Washington DC
    d. 25 Aug 1881, Washington DC

  • Hans (=John) Maria

    b. 23 Dec 1882, Washington DC
    d. 31 Dec 1965, Norwalk, Fairfield, CT

  • Ida / Zelda

    b. 14 Feb 1884, Washington DC
    d. 23 Sep 1884, Washington DC

  • Alwin (=Albert) A.

    b. 15 Feb 1885, Washington DC
    d. 4 Dec 1967, Hollywood, Broward, FL

  • Edgar Raymond

    b. 29 July 1886, Washington DC
    d. 12 May 1975, Hollywood, Broward, FL

  • Johanna

    b. 10 May 1888, Washington DC
    d. 24 Dec 1965, ...........

  • Arnulf (= Adolf?) Anthony

    b. 8 Aug 1889, Washington DC
    d. 15 July 1918, Army, Camp Taylor, Jefferson, KY

  • Hilda

    b. 29 Aug 1890, Washington DC
    d. .. Oct 1979, 10524 Garrison, Putnam, NY

  • Geraldine (twin sister of Gisela)

    b. 24 Sep 1894, Washington DC
    d. 13 Sep 1896, Washington DC

  • Gisela/Gisella Marie (twin sister of Geraldine)

    b. 24 Sep 1894, Washington DC
    d. 3 July 1969, Texarkana(?), Bowie, TX


recorder ZONOPHONE
recorder ITMC (ODEON)
In April 1919 Raymond returns via Copenhagen to USA
In September 1923
In Aug 1924 they return for good
In 1925 Raymond becomes manager of COLUMBIA plant to replace William T. Forse

Raymond (“Ray”) Anton Gloetzner was born on 18 August 1875 in Georgetown DC as the son of Anton A. Gloetzner and Johanna Nast-Gloetzner.

In 1886 Professor A. Gloetzner (“music teacher”), visited his native town in Germany, Weiden, accompanied by his sons eleven year-old Raymond and Hermann.

They arrived back in Baltimore on 23 September 1886.

Prof. A. GLOTZNER (born: Weiden, GERMANY)
+ Master Raymond (11y)
+ Master Hermann (8y)
ethnicity: USA citizen
profession: music teacher
date of departure: ...... 1886
port of departure: Antwerp, Belgium
ship's name: SS "RHYNLAND"
date of arrival: 23 Sept 1886
port of arrival: New York
age on arrival: 36 y
intended destination: Baltimore

A 40 year old professor by the name of Arnold (= Anton?) Gloetzner visited Germany in 1890 and returned to the United States via the ports of Rotterdam and Boulogne.
He arrived back in New York on 20 September 1890.

In July 1896, four Gloetzner brothers, Raymond, Hermann, Anton and Hans - on holidays in Europe to visit their German relatives - returned via Antwerp (Belgium) to the USA:

Raymond (20y 11m), Hermann (17y 11m), Anton (16y 5m) and Hans/John (13y 7m)
+ Hans M. GLOTZNER (13y 7m)
+ Hermann GLOTZNER (17y 11m, student)
+ Anton GLOTZNER (16y 5m, student)
ethnicity: USA citizen
profession: student
date of departure: July 1896 (no exact day given)
port of departure: Antwerp, Belgium
ship's name: SS "FRIESLAND"
date of arrival NY: 28 July 1896
age on arrival: 20y / 11m
place of residence:
IMAGE 0607

Ca. 1897 Raymond Gloetzner was working for Emile Berliner in Washington DC.
A picture of Raymond as a young man can be found in Jerrold Northrop Moore’s A Voice in Time.
Opposite page 40 is a picture showing Emile Berliner with his laboratory staff at 1410 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C.: Werner Suess, Fred Gaisberg, William Sinkler Darby, Raymond Gloetzner, Joe Sanders and Zip Sanders.
The same picture can also be found on the internet:, accessed 27 June 2006
... As Time goes by ... (Bilder aus der Geschichte der Schallplatte).

In the Gaisberg Diaries we find the following entry on Wednesday 27 December 1899:
I took the 7 o'c train for Philadelphia to report in Johnson's shop for work on new process. I met Smith(?) and [Raymond] Gloetzner and Zip [= Siegfried Sanders] and Calvin Child and dear John [Smoot?].
(The Fred Gaisberg Diaries - Part 2, p. 1404 (in: The Talking Machine Review No. 54-55, Oct-Dec 1978, pp. 1401-1404; 1407)

And on page 123 of Gelatt’s The Fabulous Phonograph
Each member of this trio [John Daniel Smoot, Raymond Gloetzner and Edwin Pancoast] had been employed previously by Berliner or Johnson and was thus initiated in the "secrets" of the wax recording process.

"R.A. Gloetzner" in CENSUS MICROFILMRECORDS Pennsylvania 1900

On 6 May 1901 Raymund (sic) A. Gloetzner (“electrical engineer”) applied to the Department of State at Washington D.C. for a passport. The passport was issued on 7 May 1901 under No. 40594.
At the bottom of the document it says:
Applicant desires passport sent to following address:
Raymund A. Gloetzner
c/o F. M. Prescott
66 Broad Street, New York City, N.Y.

In May 1901 Frederick M. Prescott, together with a team of experts (John Daniel Smoot, Raymond Anton Gloetzner and Edwin Alan Pancoast ), sailed for Europe, with the aim of establishing in Berlin a European branch of Zonophone, the International Zonophone Company.
Raymond Gloetzner was one of them.
In various publications sofar his profession was described as "machinist" .
As a matter of fact on their 1901 passport applications, John D. Smoot was described as “machinist”, and Pancoast as “mechanical expert”.

On the UK Incoming Passenger lists - as shown on the internet - we find the team arriving on 16 May 1901 at Liverpool, England, on board the SS 'NEW ENGLAND" from Boston:
F. M. Prescott
Mrs. Prescott
[= Frederick] Prescott (infant)
E. A. Pancoast
Mrs. Pancoast
Mary Pancoast (infant)
["Mary" should be: "George Marshall" - HS]
John Smoot
Raymond Glotzner

I have serious doubts about the correctness of the UK arrival date (16 May 1901), the name of the ship (SS "NEW ENGLAND") and the port of departure (Boston).
I suspect three different passenger lists of UK arrivals (Boston, Philadelphia and a third list) were accidentally bundled together and photographed as representing one single voyage:
(1) The Prescott party certainly did not travel on board of the SS "New England".
On the basis of information in the Boston Evening Transcript about departures of ocean steamers from Boston between 2 and 22 May 1901, it is clear that no ship by the name of SS "NEW ENGLAND" left Boston harbor before 22 May 1901. Both the Boston Evening Transcript and the Boston Daily Globe announce the departure of the SS "NEW ENGLAND" from Boston Harbor on 22 May 1901.
(2) Boston seems an unlikely port of departure.
(3) The so-called "Boston passenger list of 16 May 1901" shows three distinct types of handwriting.
I think we are dealing here with 3 different passenger lists :
- one set of papers for an arrival from Boston (SS "NEW ENGLAND)
- another (incomplete) set (pages 1 and 2 are missing) for an arrival from Philadelphia (ship's name unknown)
- a third (incomplete) passenger list (again ship's name unknown) where the point of embarkation has not been indicated (possibly New York) and of which the first 5 pages are missing.
Apparently these 3 passenger lists were accidentally combined and photographed as one single passenger list.
(for this type of document the first page is always crucial since it lists the name of the ship and the port of departure).
If we examine the handwriting on the third (= Prescott/Pancoast/Smoot/Glotzner) passenger list, there is only one conclusion possible: the reproduced passenger list is incomplete: pages 1-5 are missing (no images) and we have only images of pages 6-16 (images #19 and #25-34). All pages are undated and the point of embarkation has not been indicated on any of the shown pages (as opposed to the "Boston" and the "Philadelphia" sets).

On 25 May 1901 Edwin A. Pancoast applied to the Embassy of the United States at Berlin, Germany, for a passport. It was issued that same day under No. 2575.
“That I left the United States on the 8th day of May 1901.”
In view of the fact that Pancoast's first passport (No. 40785) was issued on 9 May 1901 we may safely assume that he did not leave the United States before 9 May 1901.
matrix foreman (Matrizen-Meister)

In July/August/September 1902 Raymond married Mary Agnes Ziegler (of Wilmington, Delaware) in the London District of Holborn, England.

On 5 September 1902 Raymund (sic) applies to the Embassy of the United States at Berlin, Germany, for a passport for himself and his wife Mary.
"That I intend to return to the United States as soon as my business permits; that I am in the employ of the International Zonophone Co. of New York City; and that I desire the passport for the purpose of entering Russia."
The passport is issued on 5 September 1902 under No. 3933.

On 8 December 1903 Raymond's daughter Eleonor/Eleanor J. is born in Berlin.

On 19 July 1904 Mary Z. (= Ziegler) applied to the Embassy of the United States at Berlin, Germany, for a new passport and that same day was given a passport (No. 1301).
On the application it says:
“ ….; that I left the United States on 8 July 1902.”
“…, that I am bearer of Passport No. 59728.” (this must be the original passport that was issued to her in 1902 by the State Department under her own name (Mary A. Ziegler) when she went to England to marry Raymond Gloetzner)

In 1905 Anton with children Josephine and Adolf visit Germany, probably to see how his sons Raymond and Hans were doing.

In the Phonographische Zeitschrift of 22 February 1906 (7/8/170) we read:

International Talking Machine Co., Weissensee.
Anstelle des Herrn Rink, welcher in der Londoner "Odeon"-Filiale eine leitende Stellung erhalten hat, ist in die Direktion der Weissenseeer Fabrik Herr R. A. Gloetzner eingetreten.

On 1 June 1906 N. M. Rodkinson (DGAG - Berlin) wrote a letter to Theo B. Birnbaum (London):

New Expert. I am very much inclined to agree to the view expressed by Gaisberg and would suggest one of the ODEON men. The best man the ODEON has, is young [Hans] Glötzner who I understand is at present in South-America. Their man Pancoast has also done some fine recording.
I think it would be very difficult to get one of the Glötzners, but Pancoast might be approached in London. The entire staff of the ODEON is American with the exception of Goldstein, who is not worth considering.

In the Washington Post of 17 June 1906:

Mr. and Mrs. Ray Gloetzner, of Berlin, Germany, and their little daughter Eleanor, will be in Washington, the latter part of July to pay a short visit to the family home, 1228 M street northwest.
Ray Gloetzner, who is a son of Mr. and Mrs. Anton Gloetzner, holds a responsible position as civil engineer in Berlin.

And in the Washington Post of 22 July 1906 we find the following announcement:

Anton Gloetzner, the composer and professor of theory, is awaiting the arrival here of his married son [Raymond], from abroad, who is about to visit America.

On 21 July 1906 Raymond with wife and daughter leaves Germany (ELLIS ISLAND) gets on board of the SS " GRAF WALDERSEE" bound for the USA.
On 3 August 1906 they arrive at New York.

Reymond (sic) A. GLOETZNER
+ Mary GLOETZNER (29y)
+ Eleonor (2½)
ethnicity: USA citizen
date of departure: 21 July 1906
port of departure: Cuxhaven, Hamburg, Germany
ship's name: SS "GRAF WALDERSEE"
date of arrival: 3 Aug 1906
age on arrival: 31y 11m
place of residence:

On 20 August 1906 Raymond A. Gloetzner (“engineer”) applies to the Department of State
At Washington for a passport for himself, his wife and daughter.
That passport is issued on the same day under No. 20025.
Left the USA in September 1906 (see: passport No. 16775)

On 14 September Kenneth Muir was in England and had a talk with T. B. Birnbaum (letter of 17 September 1906)
After his return to Milan Muir saw Hans Gloetzner, according to a letter he wrote on 28 September 1906 to Birnbaum in London:

GLOETZNER - Hans Gloetzner arrived here [in Milan] shortly after my arrival and I have had an opportunity of having a long conversation with him. I mentioned casually that our Company [= The Gramophone Company] was short of Recording Experts owing to the ever increasing volume of business and that at least two more would be required. He at once pricked up his ears at this and said it was a pity he had not been told this by me two days earlier when he signed a new contract with Prescott at Berlin.
I told him that I was only speaking in general terms and was not thinking specially of him but that I thought that of the ODEON recording experts he and his brother [Raymond] would be the only ones who our Company would consider favourably. He informed me that the contract he has just made is for a salary of 250 Marks a week and that he was not very satisfied with it and also that he has a considerable amount of friction with Prescott of whom he expressed himself in very uncomplimentary terms. He also seems to have a bad opinion of Erlanger and thinks that the action taken with regard to Michaelis was very shabby.
He expressed a fear that if he entered our Company the reason for taking him would be to deprive the ODEON of their best experts and that if this Company [ODEON] were to be ruined the object of The Gramophone Company in taking him would have been accomplished and there would be no further use for him.
I said that if he really thought that, he ought to give our Company a wide berth but that nothing was further from the truth and that he must not allow himself to be prejudiced because he is in a competitive Company not likely to regard their competitors with an excess of admiration. He stated his unwillingness to break a contract unless he had some serious justification for doing so and that our Company would certainly have a poor opinion of him, were he to do so, to which I fully agreed and said that we would certainly not do anything to induce him to take such a step, but that in the event of his having serious cause it might be of interest to him to know that here would be a chance of our Company considering him favourably as a recording expert.
He further volunteered the remark that if his brother [Raymond Gloetzner] were to come over with him, he [Raymond] would probably not wish to be employed as an expert but would prefer a good billet at the factory, but that this would be difficult in view of his hostility to Berliner.
From the whole conversation I received the impression that the Gloetzners are far from satisfied with their present positions and would infinitely prefer to be with us.
I also received the impression that their Company is not nearly so prosperous as we suppose.
He told me that they were now going to make more [Alessandro] Bonci records and that they wish to make as many as possible now, as they do not think Bonci's voice will hold out for long.
He also told me that radical measures are being taken to cut down the management charges at Milan, that the Board have ordered the advertising charges to be heavily reduced and no cash advances on account of royalty to be paid to artistes on the conclusion of contracts.
Titta Ruffo had certain negotiations with the FONOTIPIA before signing his contract with us and asked for a cash advance of 2000 Francs which was refused, although they knew I was also in treaty with him. As there is only one opinion with regard to the great value of Titta Ruffo here this action is eloquent and suggests a distinct shortness of cash.
The Fonotipia is quite inactive here at present. In September they have issued no new records to make weight against three good supplements issued by us.
As you know many of their staff were formally employed in our office and frequently meet and chat with our clerks.
Immediately after the judgement [G. Ricordi trial?] there was great jubilation among them, but this has now given way to a general spirit of depression and the fear that their Company will fall into our hands in the same way as the Zonophone Company.
Our sales here [at Milan] are picking up wonderfully and I think our October sales will be quite normal.

Andrews’ A Fonotipia Fragmenta, p. 18:

In August 1906 G. Ricordi & Co won a suit against The Gramophone Company (Italy) Ltd., wherein it was held that all records of copyrighted works were an infringement of such copyright and that royalties must be paid to the owners of such copyrighted works.

See also letter of 15 December 1906 (FMP file)

Letter 27 April 1907 from Leo B. Cohn (Berlin) to Theo. B. Birnbaum (Milan) (see Lindström folder):

I am in receipt of your favour of April 25th.
[Raymond] Gloetzner's contract runs up till December 1908, and I do not believe that under those circumstances he will be able to confirm your offer.
Besides all, I do not think that Raymond would accept. Mr. [Emile] Rink has offered to renew his contract on the following terms:
25,000.- Marks per annum and 5% of the net profits without any limit.
That, of course, is a very good offer, and at least for the next following two years, where, I suppose, the Company will show a good profit.
Mr. Rink even offered to Raymond to have that new arrangement coming into force, beginning from January of this year [1907].
You might be interested to know that they expect to have a fusion between the two Companies [Odeon & Gramco?] this year yet, and that they plan to have their own offices all over, if they can get rid of their contracts with Agents. Of course, I do not know, how much truth is in that statement made to me.
Hans Gloetzner is at present in Milan, stopping at the Hotel Rome. He gets M 250.- a week, and he is trying to pull Mr. Rink's leg.
Hans has told Rink that [the] Blumenthal[s] are anxious to get him for themselves, and that he has some other offers from other people, and Rink offered him already a new contract with M 25,000.-
You see how scared the people are to lose one of those men, because they know that their business depends more or less of these people.
[add a footnote on the "Blumenthals"]

How did Leo B. Cohn [= Leo B. Kurth] know these things? Because, before joining The Gramophone Company he worked for about a year for The International Talking Machine Company [Odeon] (Phonographische Zeitschrift 7/25/537 = ca. June 1906, die Sprechmaschine -/15/350 = 6 April 1907 and Phonographische Zeitschrift 8/15/384 = 11 April 1907)

In the Phonographische Zeitschrift of 21 March 1907 (8/12/323):

Leo B. Cohn leaves the ODEON Company.
Das neue Direktorium der Int. Talking Machine Co. besteht aus den Herrn Richard Seligsohn, welcher bisher bei der Firma als Prokurist tätig gewesen ist, ferner Herrn Raymond A. Gloetzner, der wie bisher die technische Leitung behällt und dem bisherigen Mitglied des Aufsichtsrates, Herrn Emil Rink.

1908 Jumbo
In Musik-Instrumentenbau of 21/1/1908 and 21/2/1908:
Eingetragen ist im Handelsregister Berlin die Firma Jumbo Rekord-Fabrik GmbH mit dem Sitze in Frankfurt a. Oder und Zweigniederlassung in Berlin.
Geschäftsführer ist Ingenieur Raymund A. Gloetzner in Charlottenburg.

Jumbo was/became Odeon's cheap subsidiary label (25 cm) was introduced in January 1908.
Jumbo Records appeared from August 1909 onwards.

On 11 April 1908 Raymond Gloetzner's son Raymond Anton Jr. is born in Berlin.
(The SSDI and the 4 December 1909 passport (No. 16775) incorrectly give ‘ 1906’)

Apparently Raymond Gloetzner visited the USA in the summer, since passport No. 56855 states that Raymond Gloetzner left the United States in August 1909

A passport was issued to Raymond by the Embassy at Berlin, Germany, on 16 October 1909 under No. 212 [passport not available].

On 9 November 1909 Raymond applied to the embassy of the United States at Berlin, Germany, for a new passport for himself, his wife and two children.
The passport was issued on 4 December 1909 under No. 16775.

On 22 May 1912 a passport was issued to Raymond A. Gloetzner (“manager of International Talking Machine Co.”) by the State Department (No. 74424), but this is not available.
(source: passport No. 56855)

6 September 1911 Letter from Joint Managing Director (Sydney Dixon or Alfred Clark) to Eldridge R. Johnson (Victor T. M. C., Camden) (see Lindström folder):

I give you herewith some notes which have been gathered during the last week by our Intelligence Department on the Lindström - Odeon combination.
Prescott joins the Board. He brought off the deal and made this a stipulation.
The Capital is now Mks. 3,500,000 and the Directors are said to be Prescott, [Max] Strauss, Heineman[n], Consol Marks [Consul Salomon Marx] and Loewenherzer of the Darmstädter Bank. It is said that [Emile] Rink will leave them at the end of his contract, and that the other joint Managing Director of the Odeon Company remains.
Their recorders, as far as we know, are Hans & Raymond Gloetzner, [Alexander] Nagel, Perpeti [= G. Papetti], and an American whose name we don't know [Dan Smoot?].
It is also reported that Strauss and Consol Marks [= Consul Salomon Marx] sail on September 14th for the States to meet Prescott to study the situation in America. Strauss informed one of our staff that he will personally remain in America to take up the manufacture of Talking Machines. He talked of erecting a big factory on your side in order to commence delivering as soon as the Berliner patent expires.
[Max Strauss (b. ca 1876) and Salomon Marx (b. ca 1866) with his wife Helena Marx (b. 1869) arrived in New York on 23 September 1911 [NO IMAGE AVAILABLE]]

In September 1911 Raymond Gloetzner was living in Berlin-Wilmersdorf, Aschaffenburgstrasse 9

On 21 April 1915 Raymond applied to the American Embassy iat Berlin for a new passport.
It was issued on 12 May 1915 (No. 56855).
Address: Aschaffenburgstrasse 9 [, Berlin W.]

On 9 February 1916 Mary Gloetzner applied to the Embassy of the United States at Berlin for a new passport, which was issued on 10 March 1916 under No. 19689.
In the application is stated that her previous passport was issued by the Embassy of the United States at Berlin on 31 December 1915 (No. A 14968).

On 13 October 1916 Raymond Gloetzner (“manager of International Talking Machine Co.”) applies to the American Embassy at Berlin, Germany for a new passport.
Raymond received his passport on 9 November 1916 (No. 38951).

On 17 April 1919 Raymond boards the SS “HELLIG OLAV” at Copenhagen (Denmark) and returns to the USA with wife, daughter and son. They arrive at New York on 29 April 1919.
As address in the USA is given his father's address (1228 Main Street N.W., Washington D.C.), an indication that he had been living uninterruptedly in Germany at least up to 1919, possibly even up to 1923, as is suggested by the ELLIS ISLAND files.

+ Mary GLOETZNER (42y)
+ Eleonor (15y)
+ Raymond (11y)
ethnicity: USA citizen
date of departure: 17 April 1919
port of departure: Copenhagen
ship's name: SS "HELLIG OLAV"
date of arrival: 29 Apr 1919
age on arrival: 44y
place of residence: 1228 Main Street N.W.
Washington DC
(father's adress)

1921 see p. 58 of an unsigned agreement of November 23, 1921 between GENERAL PHONOGRAPH CORPORATION and CARL LINDSTROEM AKTIENGESELLSCHAFT, Otto Heinemann, Chairman of the Board)

Employment of R. A. Gloetzner.
Lindstroem shall have the right, as long as R. A. Gloetzner is in the employment of the GENERAL [PHONOGRAPH CORPORATION], to use the services of Gloetzner in each and every year for a period up to three months.
The GENERAL leaves it to LINDSTROEM to make suitable arrangements with Gloetzner direct as to his payment for any such period, and LINDSTROEM agrees not to demand the services of Gloetzner except at a time in any year convenient to the interests of GENERAL, preferably, if possible, in the summer months.
Any time occupied by Gloetzner in traveling from and to the United States on behalf of LINDSTROEM shall be deemed to be part of the time which Gloetzner shall spend in the employ of LINDSTROEM and for which LINDSTROEM shall compensate Gloetzner.


Referring to the proposed agreement of even date herewith, about to be entered into between your company and the GENERAL PHONOGRAPH CORPORATION and its subsidiaries, and in which agreement provision is made for the use by us of the trade names and trade marks "ODEON" and "FONOTIPIA", upon certain terms and conditions set forth in said agreement, and as part of the consideration for the making of the said agreement, we, the undersigned, do hereby agree that all records pressed by us from your matrices will be technically of the standard and quality which can be produced from matrices received from you, and that such records will be sold only in connection with our standard price repertoires, and that we will not use the trade names or trade marks "ODEON" and (or) "FONOTIPIA" in connection with any special repertoires sold below the standards price records, so as not to undermine the standards of the trade names "ODEON" and "FONOTIPIA".
If at any time, any question may arise regarding the technical quality or standard of such pressings, the same shall be submitted to R. A. Gloetzner, the present technical manager of the Newark [New Jersey] factory of the GENERAL PHONOGRAPH CORPORATION, and in the event that his determination shall be that such pressing is not in technical quality up to the standard which can be obtained from the LINDSTROEM matrices received by GENERAL [PHONOGRAPH CORPORATION], then GENERAL shall not sell such records
It is understood and agreed, however, that the quality of the matrices to be shipped by you to us are at all times to be of the same high grade quality as now used by LINDSTROEM for the rest of the world.

Dated November 23rd, 1921.
Respectfully yours



also From Tinfoil to Stereo, p. 146-149

Apparently sometime between 1919 and 1923 Raymond and his wife had gone back to Germany.
Their two children Eleonor and Raymond Jr. must have stayed behind in the USA.
Mary Z. [= Ziegler] Gloetzner applied to the Department of State for a new passport on 18 July 1922:
“I intend to leave the Unites States from the port of New York sailing on board the “YORCK” on 2 August 1922.”
“Name of country: Germany. Object of visit: Disposal of household goods.“

Her passport was issued on 27 August 1922 under No. 208046.
On this application it says that Raymond Jr. was born on 11 April 1907 (= 1908)
According to the application Mary Gloetzner resides at Newark, New Jersey.
Raymond signs: R.A. Gloetzner, 47 Ashland Ave, East Orange, New Jersey.
Apparently the Gloetzners had found a permanent home.
Her previous passport (not available) had been issued in April 1919 by the Consulate at Copenhagen.

According to the ELLIS ISLAND files on 5 September 1923 Raymond Gloetzner boarded a ship in Hamburg and arrived in New York on 17 September 1923.
As place of residence in the USA is given: [47 Ashland Ave.,] East Orange, New Jersey.

ethnicity: USA citizen
date of departure: 5 Sept, 1923
port of departure: Hamburg
ship's name: SS "ORBITA"
date of arrival: 17 Sept, 1923
age on arrival: 46y
Address in USA: 47 Ashland Avenue, East Orange, NJ

Some two weeks later Raymond's wife Mary Agnes/Ann Gloetzner leaves Germany on board of the SS "MANCHURIA" to return to the USA.
As place of residence in the USA is given: 47 Ashland Ave., East Orange, New Jersey.

Mrs. Raymond A. GLOETZNER (= Mary)
ethnicity: USA citizen
date of departure: 22 Sept, 1923
port of departure: Hamburg
ship's name: SS "MANCHURIA"
date of arrival: 2 Oct, 1923
age on arrival: 47y
place of residence: 47 Ashland Ave., East Orange, New Jersey

Some time between October 1923 and July 1924 the couple must have travelled back to Europe again, probably to tie up the inevitable loose ends...

In August 1924 Raymond and Mary Agnes/Ann Gloetzner returned to the USA for good.
+ Mary GLOEZNER (46y)
ethnicity: USA citizen
date of departure: 1 Aug, 1924
port of departure: Southampton
ship's name: SS "CLEVELAND"
date of arrival: 11 Aug, 1924
age on arrival: 48y
place of residence USA: 47 Ashland Ave., East Orange, New Jersey

In April 1925 Raymond Gloetzner (of Newark) becomes the new manager of COLUMBIA plant to replace interim-manager William T. Forse of COLUMBIA GRAPHOPHONE Co. Ltd., who returned to England.
Formerly with GENERAL PHONOGRAPH COMPANY (Bridgeport Telegram of 28 April 1925)
(see p. 58 of agreement of Nov. 23, 1921 between G. P. C. and CARL LINDSTRöM AKTIENGESELLSCHAFT, Otto Heinemann, Chairman of the Board)
Numerical Catalog of Odeon and Okeh Foreign Records (July 1926)
G. P. Corporation, 25 West 45th Street, New York, NY

On 10 July 1926 we find the following announcement in the Bridgeport Telegram:
First Dance of Season

Raymond's address is given as 2083, Main Street, Stratford, Connecticut (east of Bridgeport).

In 1935 Raymond moves to St Petersburg, Pinellas County, Florida

Raymond Anton GLOETZNER
+ Mary GLOETZNER (60y)
ethnicity: USA citizen
date of departure: 25 Nov 1937
port of departure: Hamburg
ship's name: SS "HAMBURG"
date of arrival: 4 Dec 1937
age on arrival: 62y
place of residence: 3017 N. 7th Ave., St. Petersburg, FL

Raymond's naturalization: 25/8/1937
Mary's naturalization: 21/8/1937

Raymond A. Gloezner died on 26 July 1957 in St Petersburg, Pinellas County, Florida (see: obituary).
His wife, Mary Agnes (Ziegler) Gloetzner, died in February 1963 in Pinellas, Florida.


  • A FONOTIPIA FRAGMENTA. A History of the Societa Italiana di Fonotipia - Milano 1903-1948 by Frank Andrews (Historic Singers Trust, 2002), p. 47
    (this (revised) edition originally appeared as a series of articles in The Talking Machine Review - International between June 1976 and December 1977)
  • The Fred Gaisberg Diaries - Part 2, p. 1404 (in: The Talking Machine Review No. 54-55, Oct-Dec 1978, pp. 1401-1404; 1407)


Raymond Gloetzner, Bell Isle,
Norwalk, Connecticut (1927)
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from l. to r. (sitting up front): Emile Berliner and Werner Suess
from l. to r. (standing in the middle): Fred Gaisberg, Joe Sanders and Zip Sanders
from l. to r. (standing at the back): W. Sinkler Darby and Raymond Gloetzner


Charles Gloetzner
EMI Music Archives
Walt Sammis